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		<title>Comment on Math Trivia: There are 12 runners running. How many different ways can they be 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place? by Paige</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 03:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if these people were fist place
a 110
b 110
c 110
d 110
e 110
f 110
g110 
h 110
i 110
j 110
k 110
l 110
So a total of 1320 possibilities.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if these people were fist place<br />
a 110<br />
b 110<br />
c 110<br />
d 110<br />
e 110<br />
f 110<br />
g110<br />
h 110<br />
i 110<br />
j 110<br />
k 110<br />
l 110<br />
So a total of 1320 possibilities.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>Comment on Math Trivia: There are 12 runners running. How many different ways can they be 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place? by J.J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 03:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that the answer that you want is 220 but I disagree with it.

12 x 11 x 10 = 1320
The first can be any of 12
The second can be any of 11 (one already 1st)
The third can be any of 10 (2 already 1st and 2nd)

Therefore there are 12 x 11 x 10 permutations of this result = 1320.
This answer above is the answer I would normally have given. It is the equivalent of12P3 and equals 12!/9!.

HOWEVER as you see the answer has 4 digits and so I suspect that you want combinations rather than permutations. 12C3 = 12! /9!3! = 1320/6 = 220
This is the answer that you presumably want

It must be stated though that if you want combinations then you regard A finishing firrst B finishing 2nd and C finishing third as EXACTLY the same as C finishing first A finishing second and B finishing third or any of the other arrangements that you can make of these 3.
Three people can be arranged in 3! or 6 different ways
ABC, ACB, BAC, BCA, CAB, CBA
therefore for every combination of 3 people you can get 6 permutations. Therefore that is why the 1320 permutations is divided by 6 = 220 combinations.

IN conclusion - the answer that you probably want is 220 COMBINATIONS but I don&#039;t like it. I would have thought 1320 PERMUTATIONS is betrter in this case because there IS a difference between first second and third places.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that the answer that you want is 220 but I disagree with it.</p>
<p>12 x 11 x 10 = 1320<br />
The first can be any of 12<br />
The second can be any of 11 (one already 1st)<br />
The third can be any of 10 (2 already 1st and 2nd)</p>
<p>Therefore there are 12 x 11 x 10 permutations of this result = 1320.<br />
This answer above is the answer I would normally have given. It is the equivalent of12P3 and equals 12!/9!.</p>
<p>HOWEVER as you see the answer has 4 digits and so I suspect that you want combinations rather than permutations. 12C3 = 12! /9!3! = 1320/6 = 220<br />
This is the answer that you presumably want</p>
<p>It must be stated though that if you want combinations then you regard A finishing firrst B finishing 2nd and C finishing third as EXACTLY the same as C finishing first A finishing second and B finishing third or any of the other arrangements that you can make of these 3.<br />
Three people can be arranged in 3! or 6 different ways<br />
ABC, ACB, BAC, BCA, CAB, CBA<br />
therefore for every combination of 3 people you can get 6 permutations. Therefore that is why the 1320 permutations is divided by 6 = 220 combinations.</p>
<p>IN conclusion &#8211; the answer that you probably want is 220 COMBINATIONS but I don&#8217;t like it. I would have thought 1320 PERMUTATIONS is betrter in this case because there IS a difference between first second and third places.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>Comment on Two runners start running from the same point at the same time.? by Dragon.Jade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dragon.Jade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 00:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello

Let O be the origin point of the two runners;
let A be the first runner;
let B be the second runner;
let α be the measure of the angle BÔD.

By definition of the problem:
OA = 3t is the distance made by the first runner.
OB = 4t is the distance made by the second runner.
α = 3π/4

The law of cosines state:
AB² =  OA² + OB² - 2.OA.OB.cos(α)
AB² = (3t)² + (4t)² - 2.3t.4t.cos(3π/4)
AB² = 25t² - 24t².(-√2/2)
AB² = 25t² - 24t².(-√2/2)
AB² = t²(25 + 12√2)
AB = t.√(25 + 12√2)

So if AB, the distance between both runners, is 20 miles, elapsed time is:
t = AB / √(25 + 12√2) = 20 / √(25 + 12√2) ≈ 3,09 hours.

So the runners will lose contact approximatively 3 hours and 5 minutes after leaving each other.

The answer of antoine2546, that 10 hours, is both wrong and unrealistic since, in 10 hours, both runners would have run respectively 30 and 40 miles, way over the signal range of 20 miles!

Logically,
Dragon.Jade :-)&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello</p>
<p>Let O be the origin point of the two runners;<br />
let A be the first runner;<br />
let B be the second runner;<br />
let α be the measure of the angle BÔD.</p>
<p>By definition of the problem:<br />
OA = 3t is the distance made by the first runner.<br />
OB = 4t is the distance made by the second runner.<br />
α = 3π/4</p>
<p>The law of cosines state:<br />
AB² =  OA² + OB² &#8211; 2.OA.OB.cos(α)<br />
AB² = (3t)² + (4t)² &#8211; 2.3t.4t.cos(3π/4)<br />
AB² = 25t² &#8211; 24t².(-√2/2)<br />
AB² = 25t² &#8211; 24t².(-√2/2)<br />
AB² = t²(25 + 12√2)<br />
AB = t.√(25 + 12√2)</p>
<p>So if AB, the distance between both runners, is 20 miles, elapsed time is:<br />
t = AB / √(25 + 12√2) = 20 / √(25 + 12√2) ≈ 3,09 hours.</p>
<p>So the runners will lose contact approximatively 3 hours and 5 minutes after leaving each other.</p>
<p>The answer of antoine2546, that 10 hours, is both wrong and unrealistic since, in 10 hours, both runners would have run respectively 30 and 40 miles, way over the signal range of 20 miles!</p>
<p>Logically,<br />
Dragon.Jade <img src='http://www.murunner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>Comment on Two runners start running from the same point at the same time.? by antoine2546</title>
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		<dc:creator>antoine2546</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 23:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is basically a question testing knowledge of the law of cosines.

The distance ran by the north runner = 3t where t = time
The distance ran by the south east runner = 4t

The angle between their paths is constant = 90 + 45 = 135 degrees

let the direct distance between the runners be x(t).

Cosine rule says:

x(t)^2 = (3t)^2 + (4t)^2 - 2(3t)(4t)cos(135 deg)
x(t)^2 = 13t^2 - 24t^2cos(135) = t^2(13 - 24cos(135))

runners lose contact when x(t) &gt; 20 miles ie
when
 t^2(13 - 24cos(135)) &gt; 400
t &gt; sqrt(400/(13 - 24cos(135))) 
cos(135) = -1/sqrt(2)
t &gt; 13.3 hours (1 decimal)&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is basically a question testing knowledge of the law of cosines.</p>
<p>The distance ran by the north runner = 3t where t = time<br />
The distance ran by the south east runner = 4t</p>
<p>The angle between their paths is constant = 90 + 45 = 135 degrees</p>
<p>let the direct distance between the runners be x(t).</p>
<p>Cosine rule says:</p>
<p>x(t)^2 = (3t)^2 + (4t)^2 &#8211; 2(3t)(4t)cos(135 deg)<br />
x(t)^2 = 13t^2 &#8211; 24t^2cos(135) = t^2(13 &#8211; 24cos(135))</p>
<p>runners lose contact when x(t) &gt; 20 miles ie<br />
when<br />
 t^2(13 &#8211; 24cos(135)) &gt; 400<br />
t &gt; sqrt(400/(13 &#8211; 24cos(135)))<br />
cos(135) = -1/sqrt(2)<br />
t &gt; 13.3 hours (1 decimal)<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>Comment on Is it possible to attach carpet runners over steps that are carpeted? by rob s</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 10:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No carpet runners are meant to be done straight to the stairs. Doing it over the carpet and pad will create to much cushion  and cause a tripping hazard.  GL&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;20 years in flooring as a store owner/installer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No carpet runners are meant to be done straight to the stairs. Doing it over the carpet and pad will create to much cushion  and cause a tripping hazard.  GL<br /><b>References : </b><br />20 years in flooring as a store owner/installer</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can 1 step fuel cleaner damage my car if the tank is nearly empty when it is added? by gee-man</title>
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		<dc:creator>gee-man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 12:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>probably need to replace the front oxygen sensor,also if that doesnt do the trick change out the fuel filter and a complete tune up on it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>probably need to replace the front oxygen sensor,also if that doesnt do the trick change out the fuel filter and a complete tune up on it.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>Comment on Can 1 step fuel cleaner damage my car if the tank is nearly empty when it is added? by Hank Scorpio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hank Scorpio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You fouled/damaged the front oxygen sensor (likely).  Never on an empty tank.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You fouled/damaged the front oxygen sensor (likely).  Never on an empty tank.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>Comment on Can 1 step fuel cleaner damage my car if the tank is nearly empty when it is added? by don r</title>
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		<dc:creator>don r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It shouldn&#039;t have damaged the engine. The reason you use a car medicine was what? The problem you tried to remedy is still there. Have the car properly tuned up or at least put in fresh spark plugs and a clean air filter.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It shouldn&#8217;t have damaged the engine. The reason you use a car medicine was what? The problem you tried to remedy is still there. Have the car properly tuned up or at least put in fresh spark plugs and a clean air filter.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>Comment on a runner with a mass of 52 kg has a momentum of 218 kg x m/s. What is the runners velocity? by kuiperbelt2003</title>
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		<dc:creator>kuiperbelt2003</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>momentum = mass x velocity

velocity = momentum/mass = 218kgm/s / 52 kg = 4.2 m/s&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>momentum = mass x velocity</p>
<p>velocity = momentum/mass = 218kgm/s / 52 kg = 4.2 m/s<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>Comment on how do you stop a runner rug from curling on ends ? by fishlakeguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>fishlakeguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 06:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ones that curl easily are generally low quality and don&#039;t have a binded edge.  Steam might help temporarily, but buying quality runner or area rugs is the best defense.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ones that curl easily are generally low quality and don&#8217;t have a binded edge.  Steam might help temporarily, but buying quality runner or area rugs is the best defense.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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